Comments on: Breaking Down Barriers http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/09/16/breaking-down-barriers/ ENGL 605, WVU, Fall 2012 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:44:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 By: AshleighP http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/09/16/breaking-down-barriers/#comment-177 AshleighP Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:50:50 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=434#comment-177 Hi Eric, Great question. I'll tackle the job part first. As far as that goes, I feel like we'll be able to educate ourselves about the specific discipline we're working in (e.g., engineering or medicine), perhaps through a combination of on-the-job training, working with content experts, and outside reading. The teaching aspect is more difficult for me. Although I feel like I have a pretty solid background in the sciences, I also recognize that I've forgotten a lot of what I learned. I earned by BA five years ago, and I'm no longer called upon to design experiments involving, for instance, pea plants. :) I try to have a general awareness of what it is my students actually do, but I'm far from knowledgeable when it comes to some fields - engineering, especially. I'm trying to make up for that by asking students about their own experiences and what kind of writing they do. How do you approach teaching students from STEM fields? Most of the students in my class are not English majors, and I assume that's the case for you as well. Hi Eric,

Great question. I’ll tackle the job part first. As far as that goes, I feel like we’ll be able to educate ourselves about the specific discipline we’re working in (e.g., engineering or medicine), perhaps through a combination of on-the-job training, working with content experts, and outside reading.

The teaching aspect is more difficult for me. Although I feel like I have a pretty solid background in the sciences, I also recognize that I’ve forgotten a lot of what I learned. I earned by BA five years ago, and I’m no longer called upon to design experiments involving, for instance, pea plants. :)

I try to have a general awareness of what it is my students actually do, but I’m far from knowledgeable when it comes to some fields – engineering, especially. I’m trying to make up for that by asking students about their own experiences and what kind of writing they do. How do you approach teaching students from STEM fields? Most of the students in my class are not English majors, and I assume that’s the case for you as well.

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By: ewardell http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/09/16/breaking-down-barriers/#comment-160 ewardell Sun, 16 Sep 2012 17:28:12 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=434#comment-160 Ashleigh, without having a background in science, I think I had a lot of the same reactions you did to this reading. After reading Charney, I felt like a lot of the sneaking suspicions I had about some of my own studies surfaced quickly and I couldn't help but worry that I was taking a far too "ethocentric" view that was privileging an ethnographic method over a quantitative method that would have taken a little more time to find out if the data I was analyzing was isolated or part of a trend. Or as Charney puts it "By producing numerous individual subjective studies, we have constructed a broad shallow array of information, in which one study may touch loosely on another but in which no deep or complex networks or inferences and hypotheses or forged or tested" (297). I sometimes wonder, as I've partially noted in my own post, if we have some duty as technical writers not to do this very thing and integrate more quantitative research either out of our own surveys or from studies that have actually been tested or observed. I understand that sometimes the tendency is to avoid studies like this because they are inconvenient and simply take up too much time, but I'm not convinced that's responsible. I wrote a paper on a language feature of a single speaker (which was very ethnographic) and asked if we could apply differance to the gendered patterns and discovered that although Derrida's are great for breaking down bigoted stereotypes, they don't lend themselves so well to scientific inquiry, cataloguing features, and discussing the results in a way that either makes some sort of discovery or leads to new research. So based on your own inclination towards science and these two articles, what responsibility do you think we have as both tech writers and as teachers of tech writing to better educate ourselves and engage with the scientific process before we pursue a career? Ashleigh, without having a background in science, I think I had a lot of the same reactions you did to this reading. After reading Charney, I felt like a lot of the sneaking suspicions I had about some of my own studies surfaced quickly and I couldn’t help but worry that I was taking a far too “ethocentric” view that was privileging an ethnographic method over a quantitative method that would have taken a little more time to find out if the data I was analyzing was isolated or part of a trend. Or as Charney puts it “By producing numerous individual subjective studies, we have constructed a broad shallow array of information, in which one study may touch loosely on another but in which no deep or complex networks or inferences and hypotheses or forged or tested” (297). I sometimes wonder, as I’ve partially noted in my own post, if we have some duty as technical writers not to do this very thing and integrate more quantitative research either out of our own surveys or from studies that have actually been tested or observed.

I understand that sometimes the tendency is to avoid studies like this because they are inconvenient and simply take up too much time, but I’m not convinced that’s responsible. I wrote a paper on a language feature of a single speaker (which was very ethnographic) and asked if we could apply differance to the gendered patterns and discovered that although Derrida’s are great for breaking down bigoted stereotypes, they don’t lend themselves so well to scientific inquiry, cataloguing features, and discussing the results in a way that either makes some sort of discovery or leads to new research.

So based on your own inclination towards science and these two articles, what responsibility do you think we have as both tech writers and as teachers of tech writing to better educate ourselves and engage with the scientific process before we pursue a career?

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