Comments on: 7. The Potboiling Selfes http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/10/07/the-potboiling-selfes/ ENGL 605, WVU, Fall 2012 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:44:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 By: Rachel Henderson http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/10/07/the-potboiling-selfes/#comment-1088 Rachel Henderson Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:12:40 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=712#comment-1088 Sorry...I just posted that same long comment twice. :-/ Having some frustrating internet issues. Sorry about that! Sorry…I just posted that same long comment twice. :-/ Having some frustrating internet issues. Sorry about that!

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By: Rachel Henderson http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/10/07/the-potboiling-selfes/#comment-1087 Rachel Henderson Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:02:08 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=712#comment-1087 I have to admit I'm sort of surprised by both of your criticisms of Selfe and Selfe. I read it mostly in agreement with the position they were taking. Sure, we have to consider the environment in which the "desktop" was developed—the developers used the icons with which they were familiar. And sure, interfaces can be manipulated to suit our individual needs. But how much so? Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many ways how my laptop interface could be customized to someone "other" than myself—myself being the white, middle-classer that I am. I don't want to challenge too strongly here. I'll just be curious to hear both of your thoughts in class. I also wonder about our (sub)concious responses to an article like Selfe and Selfe. As white, middle-classers (and not as the "other"), an argument like theirs is ultimately a personal affront to us, calling us colonialists incapable of global or inclusive thinking. We are ethnocentrics, they're saying. So when we have reactionary or critical responses to an article like "The Politics of the Interface," are we responding intellectually to a weak argument? Or are we responding defensively to an attack against our very being? I found the latter to be the case a couple of years ago when I was taking a postcolonial literature class. I found myself taken aback again and again by my peers' refusal or inability (subconscious or not) to engage <em>many</em> of the texts because they were always going into the text with their "dukes up," so to speak, reading the texts in a defensive mode, ready to criticize first, therefore rarely ever taking a moment to self-reflect on how the text was, perhaps, speaking to or about them or influencing their personal (not academic/intellectual) reactions. Again, I hope nothing I am saying here will cause either of you to take offense. I'm just always curious about mine and my peers' reaction to a text like this that essentially calls us out—the white, middle-classers (both male and female in this case). Is it true? Are the authors validated? Is the argument completely off-base? And as for interfaces, specifically, could developers add, in the initial setting up of a new computer or digital device, a user's option to customize the "desktop" interface (even beyond your device's primary-language selection) to something more conducive to each user and their social, gender, economic, and cultural status? Is an option like that necessary? How much do the "other" users care? Is the fact that I just asked that question—how much do they really care—perpetuating the very perspective and language Selfe and Selfe are writing about? I have to admit I’m sort of surprised by both of your criticisms of Selfe and Selfe. I read it mostly in agreement with the position they were taking. Sure, we have to consider the environment in which the “desktop” was developed—the developers used the icons with which they were familiar. And sure, interfaces can be manipulated to suit our individual needs. But how much so? Off the top of my head, I can’t think of too many ways how my laptop interface could be customized to someone “other” than myself—myself being the white, middle-classer that I am. I don’t want to challenge too strongly here. I’ll just be curious to hear both of your thoughts in class.

I also wonder about our (sub)concious responses to an article like Selfe and Selfe. As white, middle-classers (and not as the “other”), an argument like theirs is ultimately a personal affront to us, calling us colonialists incapable of global or inclusive thinking. We are ethnocentrics, they’re saying. So when we have reactionary or critical responses to an article like “The Politics of the Interface,” are we responding intellectually to a weak argument? Or are we responding defensively to an attack against our very being? I found the latter to be the case a couple of years ago when I was taking a postcolonial literature class. I found myself taken aback again and again by my peers’ refusal or inability (subconscious or not) to engage many of the texts because they were always going into the text with their “dukes up,” so to speak, reading the texts in a defensive mode, ready to criticize first, therefore rarely ever taking a moment to self-reflect on how the text was, perhaps, speaking to or about them or influencing their personal (not academic/intellectual) reactions.

Again, I hope nothing I am saying here will cause either of you to take offense. I’m just always curious about mine and my peers’ reaction to a text like this that essentially calls us out—the white, middle-classers (both male and female in this case). Is it true? Are the authors validated? Is the argument completely off-base? And as for interfaces, specifically, could developers add, in the initial setting up of a new computer or digital device, a user’s option to customize the “desktop” interface (even beyond your device’s primary-language selection) to something more conducive to each user and their social, gender, economic, and cultural status? Is an option like that necessary? How much do the “other” users care? Is the fact that I just asked that question—how much do they really care—perpetuating the very perspective and language Selfe and Selfe are writing about?

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By: Rachel Henderson http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/10/07/the-potboiling-selfes/#comment-1086 Rachel Henderson Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:59:05 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=712#comment-1086 I have to admit I'm sort of surprised by both of your criticisms to Selfe and Selfe. I read it mostly in agreement with the position they were taking. Sure, we have to consider the environment in which the "desktop" was developed—the developers used the icons they knew. And sure, interfaces can be manipulated to suit our individual needs. But how so? Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many ways how my laptop interface could be customized to someone "other" than myself—myself being the white, middle-classer that I am. I don't want to challenge too strongly here. I'll just be curious to hear both of your thoughts in class. I also wonder about our (sub)concious responses to an article like Selfe and Selfe. As white, middle-classers (and not as the "other"), an argument like theirs is ultimately a personal affront to us, calling us colonialists incapable of global or inclusive thinking. We are ethnocentrics, they're saying. So when we have reactionary or critical responses to an article like "The Politics of the Interface," are we responding intellectually to a weak argument? Or are we responding defensively to an attack against our very being? I found the latter to be the case a couple of years ago when I was taking a postcolonial literature class. I found myself taken aback again and again by my peers' refusal or inability (subconscious or not) to engage <em>many</em> of the texts because they were always going into the text with their "dukes up," so to speak, reading the texts in a defensive mode, ready to criticize first, therefore rarely ever taking a moment to self-reflect on how the text was, perhaps, speaking to or about them or influencing their personal (not academic/intellectual) reactions. Again, I hope nothing I am saying here will cause either of you to take offense. I'm just always curious about mine and my peers' reaction to a text like this that essentially calls us out—the white, middle-classers (both male and female in this case). Is it true? Are the authors validated? Is the argument completely off-base? And as for interfaces, specifically, could developers add, in the initial setting up of a new computer or digital device, the option to customize the "desktop" interface (even beyond your device's primary-language selection) to something more conducive to each user and their social, gender, economic, and cultural status? Is an option like that necessary? How much do the "other" users care? Is the fact that I just asked that question—how much do they really care—perpetuating the very perspective and language Selfe and Selfe are writing about? I have to admit I’m sort of surprised by both of your criticisms to Selfe and Selfe. I read it mostly in agreement with the position they were taking. Sure, we have to consider the environment in which the “desktop” was developed—the developers used the icons they knew. And sure, interfaces can be manipulated to suit our individual needs. But how so? Off the top of my head, I can’t think of too many ways how my laptop interface could be customized to someone “other” than myself—myself being the white, middle-classer that I am. I don’t want to challenge too strongly here. I’ll just be curious to hear both of your thoughts in class. I also wonder about our (sub)concious responses to an article like Selfe and Selfe. As white, middle-classers (and not as the “other”), an argument like theirs is ultimately a personal affront to us, calling us colonialists incapable of global or inclusive thinking. We are ethnocentrics, they’re saying. So when we have reactionary or critical responses to an article like “The Politics of the Interface,” are we responding intellectually to a weak argument? Or are we responding defensively to an attack against our very being? I found the latter to be the case a couple of years ago when I was taking a postcolonial literature class. I found myself taken aback again and again by my peers’ refusal or inability (subconscious or not) to engage many of the texts because they were always going into the text with their “dukes up,” so to speak, reading the texts in a defensive mode, ready to criticize first, therefore rarely ever taking a moment to self-reflect on how the text was, perhaps, speaking to or about them or influencing their personal (not academic/intellectual) reactions. Again, I hope nothing I am saying here will cause either of you to take offense. I’m just always curious about mine and my peers’ reaction to a text like this that essentially calls us out—the white, middle-classers (both male and female in this case). Is it true? Are the authors validated? Is the argument completely off-base? And as for interfaces, specifically, could developers add, in the initial setting up of a new computer or digital device, the option to customize the “desktop” interface (even beyond your device’s primary-language selection) to something more conducive to each user and their social, gender, economic, and cultural status? Is an option like that necessary? How much do the “other” users care? Is the fact that I just asked that question—how much do they really care—perpetuating the very perspective and language Selfe and Selfe are writing about?

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By: AshleighP http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/10/07/the-potboiling-selfes/#comment-962 AshleighP Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:18:14 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=712#comment-962 Aaron, I'm glad you wrote about Selfe and Selfe's article. While I am sympathetic to most of their arguments, I had a similar reaction to some sections of their piece. The interesting part of the desktop metaphor (and something that John pointed out to us a few weeks ago) is that it could have been something different. However, given the environment in which it was developed, it makes sense that the desktop metaphor was chosen (rather than, say, the fast food restaurant metaphor). And, while the desktop metaphor <i>may</i> reinforce corporate values, we can also modify it to suit our needs. Aaron, I’m glad you wrote about Selfe and Selfe’s article. While I am sympathetic to most of their arguments, I had a similar reaction to some sections of their piece. The interesting part of the desktop metaphor (and something that John pointed out to us a few weeks ago) is that it could have been something different. However, given the environment in which it was developed, it makes sense that the desktop metaphor was chosen (rather than, say, the fast food restaurant metaphor). And, while the desktop metaphor may reinforce corporate values, we can also modify it to suit our needs.

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