Comments for Professional Writing Theory & Research http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605 ENGL 605, WVU, Fall 2012 Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:44:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4 Comment on Ideology, PowerPoint, and the Tech Writing Classroom. by ewardell http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/10/27/ideology-powerpoint-and-the-tech-writing-classroom/#comment-4408 ewardell Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:44:42 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=861#comment-4408 Will, sorry I didn't reply sooner but I just found this now. That video is fantastic. Thanks for sharing. :) Will, sorry I didn’t reply sooner but I just found this now. That video is fantastic. Thanks for sharing. :)

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Comment on How Did You Learn Ethics? by Rachel http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/11/08/how-did-you-learn-ethics/#comment-4367 Rachel Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:31:32 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=1015#comment-4367 Christina, your discussion in your second paragraph about "proposing conflict-situations to students" echoes, in part, some of the thoughts I've been working with in my paper. I struggle with these simulated situations instructors try to introduce into the classroom because I don't believe it always, or even usually, represents the real-world workplace or allows for students to truly hear/see/think about how the situation would or did play out. Introducing case studies or readings is certainly <em>a</em> way to get professional communication students thinking about how they would respond in an ethical or conflict situation. But what more can we do? How do we get students <em>into</em> the workplace more so they can truly hear and see organic conflict in the workplace, situations they will encounter as professionals and will need to know how to respond to...ethically? Christina, your discussion in your second paragraph about “proposing conflict-situations to students” echoes, in part, some of the thoughts I’ve been working with in my paper. I struggle with these simulated situations instructors try to introduce into the classroom because I don’t believe it always, or even usually, represents the real-world workplace or allows for students to truly hear/see/think about how the situation would or did play out. Introducing case studies or readings is certainly a way to get professional communication students thinking about how they would respond in an ethical or conflict situation. But what more can we do? How do we get students into the workplace more so they can truly hear and see organic conflict in the workplace, situations they will encounter as professionals and will need to know how to respond to…ethically?

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Comment on The Role of Cultural Critique in the TC Classroom by Rachel http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/11/11/the-role-of-cultural-critique-in-the-tc-classroom/#comment-4365 Rachel Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:26:18 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=1046#comment-4365 *CORRECTION: "...we should always be looking for ways that our workplaces <em>and ourselves</em> can be questioned, changed, improved, etc." *CORRECTION: “…we should always be looking for ways that our workplaces and ourselves can be questioned, changed, improved, etc.”

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Comment on The Role of Cultural Critique in the TC Classroom by Rachel http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/11/11/the-role-of-cultural-critique-in-the-tc-classroom/#comment-4364 Rachel Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:25:10 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=1046#comment-4364 "In other words, if we teach students how to write well in the workplace, they may no longer have the motivation to question and change workplace practices." Ashleigh, this point you make is one of the first thoughts I've come across that has had me truly understanding how the concept of "teaching to the industry" could be limiting or disadvantageous. We want our technical and professional communication students to be as well prepared for any workplace situation they might encounter, which requires some teaching to the industry, to be sure. But we don't want them to settle or become passive or to rest on their laurels—as professional communicators, we should always be looking for ways that our workplaces can be questioned, changed, improved, etc. “In other words, if we teach students how to write well in the workplace, they may no longer have the motivation to question and change workplace practices.”

Ashleigh, this point you make is one of the first thoughts I’ve come across that has had me truly understanding how the concept of “teaching to the industry” could be limiting or disadvantageous. We want our technical and professional communication students to be as well prepared for any workplace situation they might encounter, which requires some teaching to the industry, to be sure. But we don’t want them to settle or become passive or to rest on their laurels—as professional communicators, we should always be looking for ways that our workplaces can be questioned, changed, improved, etc.

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Comment on 11. Non-Human Factors in Ethical Considerations by Rachel http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/11/11/11-non-human-factors-in-ethical-considerations/#comment-4362 Rachel Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:18:23 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=1053#comment-4362 These <em>are</em> great points, Jillian. Isn't it funny (or not, I guess) how ethno (or human) centric we are? I think I agree with Ashleigh though, too, that I have a hard time imagining environmental issues that are not directly related to human life because we are such a part of our environments. I also think humans just tend to be selfish creatures, but selfishness is not always a bad thing, I don't think. Anyway...I don't think I'm adding a lot to your points here, haha. But the idea of human-centeredness (or selfishness) made me think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCHu1E0ca4E. :-) These are great points, Jillian. Isn’t it funny (or not, I guess) how ethno (or human) centric we are? I think I agree with Ashleigh though, too, that I have a hard time imagining environmental issues that are not directly related to human life because we are such a part of our environments. I also think humans just tend to be selfish creatures, but selfishness is not always a bad thing, I don’t think. Anyway…I don’t think I’m adding a lot to your points here, haha. But the idea of human-centeredness (or selfishness) made me think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCHu1E0ca4E. :-)

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Comment on Ethics – the individual experience by Rachel http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/11/12/personal-ethics/#comment-4361 Rachel Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:09:54 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=1055#comment-4361 Christine, I like that you brought up Dombrowski's position that “Ethics…is problematic” (337). It certainly brings up interesting conversations and perspectives when a group of people starts talking about about "what is ethics?" and "how do we teach ethics?" Legal ethics would possibly be easier to teach than personal or other ethics. The law doesn't really budge as far as what's written in the law. There's always a past case to which the current ethical issue or situation can be compared. On a personal level though, what if ethics are an intuitive characteristic some people are born with, and others aren't? Christine,

I like that you brought up Dombrowski’s position that “Ethics…is problematic” (337). It certainly brings up interesting conversations and perspectives when a group of people starts talking about about “what is ethics?” and “how do we teach ethics?” Legal ethics would possibly be easier to teach than personal or other ethics. The law doesn’t really budge as far as what’s written in the law. There’s always a past case to which the current ethical issue or situation can be compared. On a personal level though, what if ethics are an intuitive characteristic some people are born with, and others aren’t?

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Comment on 11. Non-Human Factors in Ethical Considerations by AshleighP http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/11/11/11-non-human-factors-in-ethical-considerations/#comment-4235 AshleighP Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:19:18 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=1053#comment-4235 Jillian, Great points! I didn't even think about non-human factors in making ethical decisions. Because we are so dependent on a healthy environment for our survival, and our species has such a <i>huge</i> impact on the environment, it seems difficult to separate pure environmental concerns from human ones. I'm sure some environmentalists do argue from a less human-centered perspective. I've been looking for examples - I'll let you know when I find one. (Also, I have to get back to grading soon, so I probably won't post one today). Jillian,

Great points! I didn’t even think about non-human factors in making ethical decisions. Because we are so dependent on a healthy environment for our survival, and our species has such a huge impact on the environment, it seems difficult to separate pure environmental concerns from human ones. I’m sure some environmentalists do argue from a less human-centered perspective. I’ve been looking for examples – I’ll let you know when I find one. (Also, I have to get back to grading soon, so I probably won’t post one today).

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Comment on rhetoric and numbers in various workplace settings by Jillian Swisher http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/11/04/rhetoric-and-numbers-in-various-workplace-settings/#comment-3870 Jillian Swisher Sat, 10 Nov 2012 03:12:29 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=991#comment-3870 You raise some interesting points, Will! I think the composition of data is more heavily influenced by the rhetorical situation than we may think. Just like Nelson uses the rhetorical situation of writing to influence his decisions of arrangement, tone, style, genre, etc, I can imagine that a good technical communicator would similarly use the rhetorical situation to influence decisions in the arrangement and presentation of data. For example, in his article entitled "The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint: Pitching Out Corrupts Within" (one of the readings from last week), Tufte explains that it would have been absolutely ridiculous to present data about survival rates of various cancers in graph after graph after graph. He says, "<em>Everything</em> is wrong with these smarmy, incoherent graphs: uncomparative, thin data-density, chartjunk, encoded legends, meaningless color, logotype branding, indifference to content and evidence. . . The best way to show the cancer data is the original table with its good comparative structure and reporting of standard errors" (20-22). Although Tufte uses this example to demonstrate the shortcomings of PowerPoint, he indirectly touches upon the attention to the rhetorical situation that is necessary to effectively arrange this data on cancer: datum must easily be compared to other datum, color shouldn't detract the viewer's attention from the numbers, etc. Maybe if we think of data as being just as influenced by the rhetorical situation as written communication, we'll be less intimidated to arrange and present graphs, tables, charts, etc. You raise some interesting points, Will! I think the composition of data is more heavily influenced by the rhetorical situation than we may think. Just like Nelson uses the rhetorical situation of writing to influence his decisions of arrangement, tone, style, genre, etc, I can imagine that a good technical communicator would similarly use the rhetorical situation to influence decisions in the arrangement and presentation of data.

For example, in his article entitled “The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint: Pitching Out Corrupts Within” (one of the readings from last week), Tufte explains that it would have been absolutely ridiculous to present data about survival rates of various cancers in graph after graph after graph. He says, “Everything is wrong with these smarmy, incoherent graphs: uncomparative, thin data-density, chartjunk, encoded legends, meaningless color, logotype branding, indifference to content and evidence. . . The best way to show the cancer data is the original table with its good comparative structure and reporting of standard errors” (20-22). Although Tufte uses this example to demonstrate the shortcomings of PowerPoint, he indirectly touches upon the attention to the rhetorical situation that is necessary to effectively arrange this data on cancer: datum must easily be compared to other datum, color shouldn’t detract the viewer’s attention from the numbers, etc. Maybe if we think of data as being just as influenced by the rhetorical situation as written communication, we’ll be less intimidated to arrange and present graphs, tables, charts, etc.

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Comment on Articulating the Value of Collaborative Work to Students by Jillian Swisher http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/11/05/articulating-the-value-of-collaborative-work-to-students/#comment-3865 Jillian Swisher Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:19:12 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=1009#comment-3865 Ashleigh, I really like that you've pointed out the idea of knowledge as social construction; I found this to be one of the most thought-provoking ideas within this past week's readings. Like you mentioned in your post, Winsor explains that "knowledge may be defined as that which most people in a discourse community are convinced of, and what a discourse community is convinced of is indicated by the texts it has accepted" (343). I wonder if this definition could also be used for Truth (with a capital "T," of course). It seems to me like we could look back at the esteemed writings of a given discourse community of a given time period and be able to identify what that group considered the be "True." That's just a random thought I had while reading the Winsor article, and your post made me think of it! In terms of collaboration and conflict in the classroom, I like to give my students the opportunity to evaluate their group members on productivity, participation, engagement, etc after the task is complete. A lot of times students will positively assess the members of their small group because they don't want to throw any of their peers under the bus, but at least you're giving students (like the girl who expressed concerned to you about the conflict within her small group) a chance to identify any problem areas within the group dynamic (not all conflict is problematic, like you said -- they need to know the difference between problematic and constructive conflict ahead of time) and to explain whether or not group members contributed to the successful completion of the task. This peer evaluation only slightly factors into my students' overall participation grades, but the students might be more willing to cooperate and constructively contribute to the task from the very beginning (artificially or not) knowing that they'll be assessed by their peers at the end. Ashleigh,

I really like that you’ve pointed out the idea of knowledge as social construction; I found this to be one of the most thought-provoking ideas within this past week’s readings. Like you mentioned in your post, Winsor explains that “knowledge may be defined as that which most people in a discourse community are convinced of, and what a discourse community is convinced of is indicated by the texts it has accepted” (343). I wonder if this definition could also be used for Truth (with a capital “T,” of course). It seems to me like we could look back at the esteemed writings of a given discourse community of a given time period and be able to identify what that group considered the be “True.” That’s just a random thought I had while reading the Winsor article, and your post made me think of it!

In terms of collaboration and conflict in the classroom, I like to give my students the opportunity to evaluate their group members on productivity, participation, engagement, etc after the task is complete. A lot of times students will positively assess the members of their small group because they don’t want to throw any of their peers under the bus, but at least you’re giving students (like the girl who expressed concerned to you about the conflict within her small group) a chance to identify any problem areas within the group dynamic (not all conflict is problematic, like you said — they need to know the difference between problematic and constructive conflict ahead of time) and to explain whether or not group members contributed to the successful completion of the task. This peer evaluation only slightly factors into my students’ overall participation grades, but the students might be more willing to cooperate and constructively contribute to the task from the very beginning (artificially or not) knowing that they’ll be assessed by their peers at the end.

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Comment on 10. The Authorship of Technical Documents by cseymour http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/2012/11/04/10-borrowing-texts-and-the-co-authorship-of-technical-documents/#comment-3631 cseymour Wed, 07 Nov 2012 17:15:51 +0000 http://courses.johnmjones.org/ENGL605/?p=995#comment-3631 Jillian, I appreciate your point that "borrowing from past texts, collaboration, peer feedback, synthesis of past documents, etc are all such integral parts of workplace practice." How can we stress the importance of citing sources, when it is also important, in the postmodern classroom/culture, to collaborate and draw from others ideas? Most of my students see citation as "busy work," even though we've discussed the purposes. I think when they reach their major fields and are challenged to position their ideas against important figures in the field, and against other students' ideas, they will see the weight that citations carry. Ashleigh, your classroom practice of introducing the terms as "up for discussion" is very encouraging! John, and all, I suppose, for me, authorship means positioning my own ideas against others and constructing a piece of writing that is not necessarily "original" but that provides a new voice for the topic. For instance, in my paper research, I'm constantly thinking "Oh, Diana George already argued this" or "Wait, Greg Wilson disagrees with me!" But, I need to remind myself that just because my ideas aren't the romantic ideal of being original and individual, it doesn't mean that the process isn't useful to me and my final audience (whether that be "important PWE people" or a small collection of fellow grad students). Discussing ideas is, and always will be, important, and, even if the audience isn't large or "important," the role of the author still is, because author's write and writers form ideas, and ideas form the future of the field whether in the workplace or academia. Maybe the question of "author" depends largely on who that author thinks their audience is and what that audience would find useful. But, perhaps I'm steeped in the "academic culture"! I am interested in this idea of authorship as a cultural issue...thinking of MySpace and the Hispanic population... Jillian, I appreciate your point that “borrowing from past texts, collaboration, peer feedback, synthesis of past documents, etc are all such integral parts of workplace practice.” How can we stress the importance of citing sources, when it is also important, in the postmodern classroom/culture, to collaborate and draw from others ideas? Most of my students see citation as “busy work,” even though we’ve discussed the purposes. I think when they reach their major fields and are challenged to position their ideas against important figures in the field, and against other students’ ideas, they will see the weight that citations carry.

Ashleigh, your classroom practice of introducing the terms as “up for discussion” is very encouraging!

John, and all, I suppose, for me, authorship means positioning my own ideas against others and constructing a piece of writing that is not necessarily “original” but that provides a new voice for the topic. For instance, in my paper research, I’m constantly thinking “Oh, Diana George already argued this” or “Wait, Greg Wilson disagrees with me!” But, I need to remind myself that just because my ideas aren’t the romantic ideal of being original and individual, it doesn’t mean that the process isn’t useful to me and my final audience (whether that be “important PWE people” or a small collection of fellow grad students). Discussing ideas is, and always will be, important, and, even if the audience isn’t large or “important,” the role of the author still is, because author’s write and writers form ideas, and ideas form the future of the field whether in the workplace or academia. Maybe the question of “author” depends largely on who that author thinks their audience is and what that audience would find useful. But, perhaps I’m steeped in the “academic culture”! I am interested in this idea of authorship as a cultural issue…thinking of MySpace and the Hispanic population…

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